Suggestion ... to remove the list of players.

[Omalley]

However it goes... With the removal of 2x resources, I have no reason to goto Fel.. I would rather see non-consensual PvP removed entirely.. But thats not going happen.. I still would like to see the players list stay, and evolve into a more complex system, Having the option to go invisible on the list would be ok.. I suppose, as long as you couldnt just change it every 5 mins, and if you go invisible, you cant see who is online as well.. with that said, i would like to see new features added to the list, that would make you want to stay visible as well..

 

[Omalley]

However it goes... With the removal of 2x resources, I have no reason to goto Fel.. I would rather see non-consensual PvP removed entirely.. But thats not going happen.. I still would like to see the players list stay, and evolve into a more complex system, Having the option to go invisible on the list would be ok.. I suppose, as long as you couldnt just change it every 5 mins, and if you go invisible, you cant see who is online as well.. with that said, i would like to see new features added to the list, that would make you want to stay visible as well..

Maybe when you are visible, it cuts down on that stat reduction period that makes it hard to jump back in the action.

 

[Meireffer]

Removing [players seems to only effect those who like this style of game play, or.. it benefits that PvP mentality the most! Even if a few of you don't play that way..,

I agree here. That's why i'm against permanently removing this list

Profit? you will still be getting the contents of thier pack? They would be flagged VvV in champ areas..

That was more of a overall VvV condition. Not just about your idea to put VvV on champ spawns (due to skill-loss)

Solution to PVP problems should be convincing players to go to Fel (increase reward for going there) and never forcing others to do pvp against their will.

 

[Omalley]

Oops, quoted the wrong post in my last message, i meant to tag the post talking about stat loss in VvV

 

[Delvi]

Because not everyone is fixated on killing players just for killing them, PKing miners might earn u few ingots, but there is no fun in it at all. Me personally, even if I would meet your miner i wouldn't kill him.

Guarding champions is completely different thing, if you don't like getting killed at champ spawn, either start PvP character, or try talking with pvpers how might protect you. This brings whole new dynamic to the server, but most people don't even try asking for protection/making their own pvpers...

Why is a pk at a champ spawn any different than pk a miner? If you want to pk, why don’t you hunt someone that actually wants to fight (vvv)

leave the current system as is

 

[Phil]

When we are at it, might as well just turn off PvP in Fel...

I agree, then no one will have to worry about any list of whos sees them and no one has to waste their time sneaking and skulking about. attended or otherwise

 

[StigiBengBeng]

Why is a pk at a champ spawn any different than pk a miner? If you want to pk, why don’t you hunt someone that actually wants to fight (vvv)

In my opinion there is huge difference. First of all, at spawn you should be expecting a raid and be ready to run away. As a well geared PvE character you have big chances of getting away to safety.
Second of all as I already mentioned: If you don't like pvp, maybe try asking people for protection, make a deal with someone, interact with the pvp crowd in general. Sometimes some of us try to do champs just to bait enemy to raid.

Removing/limiting pvp will just turn off current and potential new players who enjoy it.

Anyway I think we are going waaaay off topic now.

Honestly I don't have super strong feelings regarding online list, in my opinion it would be cool to have option to hide our online presence, but if majority of people are against that then keep it as it is.
Maybe we should have a poll?

 

[BooshBooshBoosh]

The list hurts nothing and no one. Two PK guilds asking for it to be removed speaks volumes about why it should stay.

 

[Bybz]

Two Pk guilds? Please bring back PVM rankings and we will see that I can talk about both sides.

This system was never used on any other shard I played before, not even on OSI.
So I’ve tried to suggest a solution to make both sides happy. If you like the list to see your friends you will have it and if you don't wanna be tracked or chased you can be hidden and won't be disturbed.

But people here don’t bring any reasonable solutions, they just try to fight for their sides.

Looking at PK as the bad side of the game will prevent growth, when I started here I got raided and that’s part of the game for ages. I just keep playing until I get stronger and can do both contents without any problem.

Let’s talk about why that’s good or bad for the server and not for our own personal reasons.

 

[Phil]

yes, your solutions for wanting to stay hidden in fel are not reasonable solutions for 90% of the shard that do not want to pvp.
PK stands for PLAYER KILLER. how can you look at that any other way than the bad side? you literally kill players and its already one sided and you are simply trying to make it even more one sided in your favor.
everyone is talking from their own personal perspective, and MOST have said leave it.
IT would be great if Dan could just have a POLL and ask YES to take it down or NO to leave it as it is.
Fact of the matter remains it is helpful to most of the community and it only hinders people who want to kill other people apparently.
WHY do you need to stay hidden?
WHY do you not want people knowing you are online at all?
There is a name change Token in the store, BUY ONE and change your name. Then no one will know who you are. YOUR problem is solved.

 

[BinhoGuedes]

I agree with what was mentioned above by Bybz ... you cannot mix the character PK. This was developed so that you can play against yourself. The funny thing is that when most people see the PK, everyone would like to attack ... I think that for the "heritage community" to be more complete, we have to do some updates ... and just see the data that Dan brought. If you don't want PVP it's very simple ... just don't go to Fell ... what will that change for you who stay in Tramell? Whatever you are going to do I am sure that no one looks at the list of players and only after that to talk to the person ... I am sure it does not exist!

Here the objective of this topic is not to think individually, but rather collectively, considering that today in practice the list is only intended to denounce either to the PK character or to those who want to fight the PK ... who has more time remember that we had the warning when a spawn was completed ... why was it removed?

The purpose of the name change token is not this as they are using the example.

The fact is, for a better gameplay and entertainment to the server, we need to review it ... I saw suggestions that benefit both sides and few opinions on, because there are testimonials that are being talked about just for yourself.

 

[Delvi]

I oftentimes will check the list to see if my friends are on and then send them a msg in global chat. Just because you don’t, doesn’t mean it isn’t done.

I don’t go the players list to see if my favorite pk is on, I know they have bots at the spawns that will alert them I’m there! And don’t say that doesn’t exist, one of my contacts used to send me pictures of myself from his guild chat and tell me to get out of there.

as it is, players isnt refreshed automatically and I’d be surprised if people were regularly ‘abusing’ this to track PKs. We all have fairly regular schedules and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out when polish or Brazilian players are online

 

[proko]

I oftentimes will check the list to see if my friends are on and then send them a msg in global chat. Just because you don’t, doesn’t mean it isn’t done.

I don’t go the players list to see if my favorite pk is on, I know they have bots at the spawns that will alert them I’m there! And don’t say that doesn’t exist, one of my contacts used to send me pictures of myself from his guild chat and tell me to get out of there.

as it is, players isnt refreshed automatically and I’d be surprised if people were regularly ‘abusing’ this to track PKs. We all have fairly regular schedules and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out when polish or Brazilian players are online

So you are saying there's no problem if I have option to hide my name from this list, thank you

 

[Delvi]

So you are saying there's no problem if I have option to hide my name from this list, thank you

Thanks for admitting not only that you use bots, but also that you get your kicks killing characters that aren’t interested in pking.

edit: bots not boots, folks

why don’t you try fighting someone that can put up a fight, or is that too hard for you?

 

[proko]

Thanks for admitting not only that you use boots, but also that you get your kicks killing characters that aren’t interested in pking.

why don’t you try fighting someone that can put up a fight, or is that too hard for you?

I prefer sandals

 

[Hiru]

yes, your solutions for wanting to stay hidden in fel are not reasonable solutions for 90% of the shard that do not want to pvp.
PK stands for PLAYER KILLER. how can you look at that any other way than the bad side? you literally kill players and its already one sided and you are simply trying to make it even more one sided in your favor.
everyone is talking from their own personal perspective, and MOST have said leave it.
IT would be great if Dan could just have a POLL and ask YES to take it down or NO to leave it as it is.
Fact of the matter remains it is helpful to most of the community and it only hinders people who want to kill other people apparently.
WHY do you need to stay hidden?
WHY do you not want people knowing you are online at all?
There is a name change Token in the store, BUY ONE and change your name. Then no one will know who you are. YOUR problem is solved.

Don't talk about numbers, let Dan tell you how many people do pvp or not. If you don't want to go to PVP stay in Malas or Trammel. Because the feature [players is being used for a long time to check who is online.
The Bybz solution serves both sides. Whoever wants to appear online, can appear, but it should be optional who does not want to appear in the list of players.

 

[Miral]

yes, your solutions for wanting to stay hidden in fel are not reasonable solutions for 90% of the shard that do not want to pvp.
PK stands for PLAYER KILLER. how can you look at that any other way than the bad side? you literally kill players and its already one sided and you are simply trying to make it even more one sided in your favor.
everyone is talking from their own personal perspective, and MOST have said leave it.
IT would be great if Dan could just have a POLL and ask YES to take it down or NO to leave it as it is.
Fact of the matter remains it is helpful to most of the community and it only hinders people who want to kill other people apparently.
WHY do you need to stay hidden?
WHY do you not want people knowing you are online at all?
There is a name change Token in the store, BUY ONE and change your name. Then no one will know who you are. YOUR problem is solved.

Incognito is cheaper

 

[Meireffer]

I don't want list to be completly removed but i cannot get one thing. How comes that people who never do champs or venture to Fel are against removing list giving arguments that it will be easier for PK to hunt them? They wont hunt you in tram... just saying

@BinhoGuedes just put a poll in your original post and let's see how it will end (give 3 options - leave it ON, turn it off, make it toggleable)

Fel was always risk zone - you go there? Be prepared to get killed. Simple. That's why Tram was made so people can enjoy same landmass while being perfectly safe.

Rail bot problem is serious issue but it cannot be prevented without someone tracking certain players for hours daily. Only solution would be creating own client for heritage but that's not so easy to be done. Temporary solution would be to push heavy punishment for using such bots (like proposed by me permaban for all accounts that can be connected by IP to botting char)

Why is a pk at a champ spawn any different than pk a miner? If you want to pk, why don’t you hunt someone that actually wants to fight (vvv)

leave the current system as is

Difference is - when you try to kil someone on champ spawn, you can be sure that they have at least some gear on them, they can run and maybe even defend themself? Not to mention calling buddies to help.

Killing miner or other gatherer in fel serves only one purpose - being a dick. Sure, once in a while anyone can have a moment to kill someone just for fun but killing someone all the time just for sake of killing is nothing else than being a dick and I'm pretty sure that most of my guildies are not huge fan of it either.

Different story when you find someone from rival guild or someone who you don't like, but currently none of them leaves tram.

Killing someone over and over for no apparent reason is griefing and is against rules from what i know.

Tldr; líst should stay. Rail checking spawns should be forbidden. Killing pvm on champ is good, killing miners is bad.

 

[BinhoGuedes]

I put the poll to vote there. You see, that initially it is about adjustments. The goal here is to reach a general consensus.

I oftentimes will check the list to see if my friends are on and then send them a msg in global chat. Just because you don’t, doesn’t mean it isn’t done.

I don’t go the players list to see if my favorite pk is on, I know they have bots at the spawns that will alert them I’m there! And don’t say that doesn’t exist, one of my contacts used to send me pictures of myself from his guild chat and tell me to get out of there.

as it is, players isnt refreshed automatically and I’d be surprised if people were regularly ‘abusing’ this to track PKs. We all have fairly regular schedules and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out when polish or Brazilian players are online

Friend, I think this is wrong, as this was already up to the object of previous discussion (whether or not to have a bot, no spawn). I think it is very easy for people to say things in the way of thinking, to think they have it. Your contact at least should be encouraging you not to go in fell. Still, if you yourself report that you do not enter to see your favorite PK, why not leave the option not wanting to appear ... sometimes I want to do a spawn and with that, I do not want my name there ... so what?

 

[Anthar]

Last 24h could be nice ... but potential abuse is to check every N minutes and see if someone new show up.
One of the fel issues that i truly dislike is the tree look and the damn tomb stones.

Hunting others is good No matter what they do.

There should be incentive to go to Fel for stuff like minng or lumberjacking ... honestly majority of this will be macro alts with blessed LRC newbie set - so i don't see huge issue here.
If someone want to play this 100% safe he can do it even in town areas - we are not having hundreds of players for this activity to force you out in a 100% secure zone in Fel.


I wish to only add ... maybe lets make pet's in FEL to do full damage to players.
This way PVE tamers caught on some activity can defend themself.